I've been using 120 bayou .358 dia. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. He was happy to find this post and that it confirmed that he felt the case support looked inadequate. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. (unless theyre SWAT or something). I think he said that they replaced the extractor pin or spring or something, but not the extractor itself. I have had some self induced issues with feel since trying to go full length guide rod, 15# 1911 spring and Apex trigger. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! One hell of a conspiracy. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. I have several marks on the right side of my RMR as well. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. There wasn't really a straight problem, with most problems having different circumstances/potentially different causes. This is a great way to give your pistol a subtle, custom . The chamber on the 320's is horribly unsupported and a questionable design in my opinion. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. Who knows. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. There are 18 other similar incidents claimed in the lawsuit. I have several thousand of this ammo on hand, and if I were to need to use to defend myself or my family, the gun should handle it. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. Sent the old kit (as a complete pistol) off to Sig for warranty repair. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. . I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. And the 320 has a very easy to replace extractor. That took a lot. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Sig Sauer has previously settled some lawsuits involving alleged discharges. If you had a problem while shooting reloads and they still offered warranty service (regardless of whether you had to send it in), they must have changed their policy. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. Both of my P320 carry's developed extraction issues. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Only problem is with the 9F Kit. I have 2 FCUs and 4 caliber kits. jimmy1256 The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. Tyler Freel Nuts and Bolts of the Sig-Sauer P320 XTen. But I am pretty confident they will not be of much support with using steel cased ammo, but it never hurts to ask. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Then 4 to 6 week wait for repair. Thats fine. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. On Thursday, M.D. The Sig P320 XTen is one of few P320's that are in a different caliber, and the only 10mm Auto. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. True In this article, you will find the fix to these problems. If it fails, you're kind of screwed. Still having the same exact Type 3 Malfs every other round. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. Just wanted to share an experience I had with my new X5 in CO. To share the setup, I had Robert Burke do his competition trigger job which feels great; I also have a tungsten guide rod, other than that, the gun is stock. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. Got mine about 8 months ago. Had the issues where the round fired but the case failed to eject. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. MGW carries a vast array of replacement slides, barrels, magazines, sights, grip modules, pins, springs and other small parts for this handgun. three changes to the original design. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. Your previous content has been restored. sleepla8er. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. This pistol had about 700 rounds through it at the time of the FTE, all factory Speer Lawman 147g TMJ and Federal HST 147g JHP. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. a. does your striker release out of battery? The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? Features & Specifications of SIG P320 X5 Legion: SIG P320 X5 Legion Double check that the mag is fully seated and there is a round in the chamber. Do you have an FFL closer to you than the FedEx hub? Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. I have no idea. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. Maybe they could help you out with shipping it back without the long drive. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? He is also calling on the gunmaker to issue a recall on this product, and pull this product from the market, until they make this gun safe.. If you think of anything else, post it and I will reply. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. That is totally unacceptable. Press J to jump to the feed. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. posted March 06, 2017 05:33 PM. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. . They function as commanded every time. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Brought mine March of 15 as well. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. Anyway around here they do. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Thanks. 3. The gun has been running flawlessly with mixed brass with 165gn plated, 158gn 38/.357, and 147 factory since. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. Left 2 weeks ago and received and email this mourning that it's on its way back to me. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Welcome aboard. But when you're running at the raggedy edge, when you're running well into or over +P -- as many people do with super fast powders and super heavy bullets, trying to chase down the holy grail of soft felt recoil -- when you're at that raggedy edge, it doesn't take a double-charge for a catastrophic failure. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix belowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Six of those suits were brought by people serving in law enforcement when the gun fired. Thats SIGs term for a recall. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. Thanks for the replies guys and gals. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. Both were sent back to Sig and fixed. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. The new Kirk does suck. All the factory replacement corrosion-resistant parts to replace your P320 .45 AUTO extractor assembly. There goes 1/3 of the shooting season. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Over pressure, and poor case support, just a thought. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. Was it his fault? The rear 1/3rd of the case isfreely able to bloat. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. Sig p320 Max potential extractor issues I found a good deal on a p320 max and was hoping to pick it up, but while doing my due diligence, I came across quite a few posts with people having bent extractor issues. She has the p320 9fs that has been RMR with a delta point. The standard P320 Compact magazine holds 15 rounds, but you can use higher-capacity magazines as well. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. NO. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. Fired case is extracted about a quarter of an inch. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! I do not even know if sending it back to Sig at this point would tell me anything, as they are just going to test fire it with brass and tell me not to use steel case ammo.. Quick Reply to: Sound familiar? You have entered an incorrect email address! I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? PDs are dropping them from contracts. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. rpm8300 Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. Sig P320 Extractor Upgrade and FTE Fixes FaRKle0079 4.49K subscribers Subscribe 7K views 2 years ago The P320 has been the most unreliable pistol I own, primarily due to failure to extract. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. (It wasnt my gun). Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. Asking for a friend. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Sig Sauer Extractor Pin for New P224,P226,P229. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Enough to recall pretty much all of Oklahoma state troopers and reissue a new one. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. 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