MR. TOBEROFF: Objection. I didn't think much about it because I felt the only reason I was doing it was to get paid, you know. Q: Okay. They had one son: Stanley Martin Lieber. Didn't have to have six panels. Q: Actually, I said "correct," so your LARRY LIEBER: Scotch tape. [8] His first superhero work, the first appearance of Marvel's Thor in Journey into Mystery #83 (Aug. 1962), introduced one of the mainstays of the Marvel Universe, the mystical metal "uru", of which Thor's hammer Mjolnir is made. Could you do me a favor and just pause before answering a question so I have room to object before? I didn't want to give a light tone to it. He worked most of his life as a dress cutter in New York. Q: How did you get paid for the work that you were doing for Marvel, 1958 to 1965? LARRY LIEBER: I believe it was Jack Kirby. I never had to, you know, go home and do it again. LARRY LIEBER: I think I wrote the first the first script. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. Issue Checklist (via credit search for name "Larry Lieber") Issue Checklist (via linked credit records) List of to be migrated issues (via credit search for name "Larry Lieber") Q: And was it your understanding that when they did buy your work, that they owned all rights to it? MS. SINGER: No worries. "I was drawing, but I was slow. MS. SINGER: Objection to form. Lee has one younger brother, comic book artist and writer Larry Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, there was something printed on the back. Husband of Joan (Boocock) Lee married 5 Dec 1947 in Reno, Nevada, United States. Q: Did you ever did you have any contact with the story after you turned it in and made whatever changes? Usually, there were six panels on a page and I would describe the action in the first in the first panel. Q: And what was your involvement with Iron Man? And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. I used to go to it and gets parts of names to put together."[17]. And it was kind of fun and he liked what I did. As Lieber, in a 1999 interview, described his experience as editor: When I went there, Martin put out two kinds of books. And now this is the part where I ask you same thing he asked you: If you can just give a pause so if I have to jump in with an objection. He scripted and occasionally also drew the odd Western or Sgt. LARRY LIEBER: Stan offered me I had to earn a living. You could have said it this way, or this way or that way," and Im realizing, yeah, I don't think of it that way or this way. Lieber also wrote and penciled two Spider-Man stories, in Web of Spider-Man #21 and 25 (Dec. 1986, April 1987). Stan, I guess. They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. No. born 1950, age 68 (approx.) Erwin Lieber and Margaret Elizabeth (Taylor) Lieber. So that's why I did that. He is a writer, known for Iron Man (2008), Avengers: Endgame (2019) and Ant-Man (2015). In his early childhood he spent time living in. Do you know whether strike that. I didn't do enough of the superheroes to know whether I'd like them. He recalled in 1999 he had written some or all of these stories himself, "because I remember Stan was saying to me, 'You write romances really well. Change this or change that.". Wikipedia (15 entries) edit. Larry Lieb is a nationally known subject matter expert in the field of computer forensics and electronic discovery. No. Stan Lee. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several . LARRY LIEBER: Yes. LARRY LIEBER: You mean the in the story parts? MR. TOBEROFF: Sometimes if you answer too rapidly, I would be talking over you. [11] Because it was not standard industry practice during this time to give writer and artist credits, Lieber may have supplied more. [4] Already interested in art and drawing by this time, he attended George Washington High School there. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Q: And what was printed on the back of the check? Geni requires JavaScript! MS. SINGER: Good work. Strange, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Falcon, Thor and others. That was the way I interpreted it anyway. He is a writer, known for Iron Man (2008), Ant-Man (2015) and Avengers: Endgame (2019). Larry Lieber's work has been offered at auction multiple times, with realized prices ranging from 130 USD to 650 USD, depending on the size and medium of the artwork. Q: When you say you were learning to write, what do you mean by that? How would he give that to you? Stan said, 'I'm trying to make up a character,' and he gave me the plot, and he said, 'Why don't you write the story? I don't remember the year, but I obtained them when they were discarded. I wrote The Rawhide Kid and I drew it. Then you would bring it to the office? [9], Career[edit] Early work[edit] In 1941 Lee had been made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. Q: And what would happen next? LARRY LIEBER: Yes, it was my understanding. "[12] He again drew for his brother, editor Stan Lee, at the 1950s forerunner of Marvel Comics, known generally as Atlas Comics, though whether on staff or freelance is uncertain. Jury finds Harvard professor Charles Lieber guilty of hiding ties to China Charles Lieber, the former chair of Harvard's chemistry department, has been convicted of lying to the university and the . Also I think it's even more dramatic than [the] Spider-Man [comic strip]". LARRY LIEBER: What was the question, if I may? [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx,[4] settling at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee described as a one-bedroom, "third-floor apartment facing out back", with him and Larry sharing a bedroom and his parents using a foldout couch. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. MR. TOBEROFF: Go ahead. I think it might have been Don Heck, but I'm not sure. Also I think its even more dramatic than [the] Spider-Man [comic strip]". Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. "[8], At 17, Lieber became a messenger for The New York Times and also found work at the Times Square studio of Sam Furber, a letterer whose work included movie posters. Being the son of a Hell-Lord, Daimon Hellstrom became a Lord of Hell himself, drawing power from the Hell dimension. You're doing a little production work. I was unsure of myself just sitting down to write a script. MR. TOBEROFF: That's okay. LARRY LIEBER: I got the synopsis, the plot from Stan, and I wrote the first script of Thor. Well, wait a minute. Lieber is best known for scripting the first appearances of the Marvel characters Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and . Celia Lieber (born Solomon) was born in 1894, at birth place, to Zanfer Solomon and Sophia Solomon. My brother [Stan Lee] was in it and he started when he was about 17 or 18 or whatever. At this point, business was bad, and I tried to do what I could. LARRY LIEBER: They I was in the office, the Marvel office. LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: Do you know who the artist was who drew the first Iron Man? LARRY LIEBER: Stan. As Lieber recalled it to comics historian Daniel Best, "My mother died when I was 16. He may, probably, he had come out of Stan's office, and he seemed upset. For roughly a year and a half, he lived in the since-defunct Hotel Manhattan Towers, a residence hotel at Broadway and West 76th Street in Manhattan. In the mid . Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. My only experience was in the color comics. Afterwards, I had been so used to it that I wouldn't have noticed if it was still there or not. Q: The "he" when you said "he"? LARRY LIEBER: I didn't know. A group of friends made it their life-long mission to go to the Super Bowl and meet NFL superstar Tom Brady. I think I wanted a little more freedom. [8] His first superhero work, the first appearance of Marvel's Thor in Journey into Mystery #83 (Aug. 1962), introduced one of the mainstays of the Marvel Universe, the mystical metal "uru", of which Thor's hammer Mjolnir is made. LARRY LIEBER: He would go over it and, as I said, if it were in the early years, he might correct or change a line or two. Larry has also had a hand in co-creating some of our greatest Marvel super-heroes including Ant Man, Iron Man, and Thor. Larry Lieber (est. So that was my first victory if you want to call that a victory, right. Q: Do you know what Milly's last name was? Q: Who would make the decision about who was going to write the scripts for a book? After you finished writing the first script for Iron Man, what happened? Assumes facts. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. June, the end of June. Marvel? Q: What how did you come to work on Rawhide Kid? [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. LARRY LIEBER: I always wrote the script first, except later on, I Born: 1931 October 26 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States Notes: To be confirmed against the Who's Who entry. Q: Who came up with the name Thor, the hero name? I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. I remember once, and I dont know when it was, but my uncle, Rob Solomon, took me down to Timely Comics.". Q: How what was your involvement, besides coming up with the name Henry Pym, what was your involvement? It would be sent to the artist, I would guess. LARRY LIEBER: No. Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. LARRY LIEBER: The same way as the other. Stan Lee was an American comic-book writer, editor, and publisher, who was executive vice president and publisher of Marvel Comics. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. But now it was impossible. Q: Okay. Q: Did you ever work on did you ever get artwork that you would then write the dialogue for, or did you always write the script first? Q: Okay. As Stan Lee recalled, in his trademark jocular style, in 1974, Heretofore, I had written all of the origin tales of each new character, as well as the subsequent follow-up stories in every series. From 1974 to 1975, he was editor of Atlas/Seaboard Comics. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, the second child of Romanian-Jewish immigrant parents Celia (ne Solomon) and Jack Lieber, and the brother of Stanley Martin Lieber, later known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. His final strip ran September 8, 2018. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several other artists, including Spider . And since nobody knows the name of it, I'll make it a short name. Hellstrom is considered one of the most powerful Hell-Lords in Marvel Comics, and can cause excruciating pain to any living being through contact with their life force. . Q: The way when we talked about the first script for Iron Man and the first script for Thor and the first script for Ant-Man, were those Marvel style? [18] I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. The very last line on page19. [33], Lieber was a recipient of the San Diego Comic-Con International's 2003 Inkpot Awards. As he notes, this material is sure to be dissected at the atomic level for years to come. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. These were all scripts in advance [that Kirby would illustrate]. Larry Lieber is the younger brother of Stan Lee. Lieber then succeeded Kida on the daily strip in 1986. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. But he always used it. Now, I don't know if I found "Uru" someplace or I just made it up or whatever. As Lieber recalled it to comics historian Daniel Best, "My mother died when I was 16. Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. When he has made corrections, I have fortunately agreed with it. I I don't understand the things very well. [8], 1950s[edit] After returning from the service, Lieber attended Manhattan's Art Students League. So it wouldn't look like it wouldn't just be a short story, it would be it would describe the I used to get names out of the back of the dictionary, from the biographical section where you have foreign names, Russian, this and that. [9] Lieber began working for Goodman as an art assistant on the magazine side, "doing paste-ups. [9], In 1941, Lee was made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, then a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. So I always felt I couldn't get work from any other company, and some years later, I met the man who was the, I guess, art director there and we were we were chatting, and I happened to bring this up about I sent work over and I never got it, and he looked at me in surprise and said, "You mean that was on the level?" For others, I don't think that was the case. It's vague. Check the Prices Tab on Desertwindcomics.com for witnessing and grading fees. Q: And your brother is? Jim's a bona fide expert on the Marvel Age, having worked as a historian for the publisher's website for 17 years, but his interests go far beyond the House . Q: So not in the period 1958 to 1965? I didn't think about it at all. LARRY LIEBER: My understanding they were not obligated. But writing was a little different. [15], Lieber's earliest, tentatively confirmed pre-superhero Marvel script is for the six-page Don Heck-illustrated "I Am the Beast-Man" in Strange Tales #77 (Oct. 1960), and his first confirmed is the 13-page "I Led the Strange Search for Manoo", penciled by Kirby and inked by Dick Ayers, in Amazing Adventures #2 (July 1961). Now, I knew nothing about black-and-white comics, right? LARRY LIEBER: He made up a character and he wanted and he asked me to write it. The content of this story seems to correspond with "To Clone a Hulk," the fan-generated title for the storyline which ran from October 30 to December 18, 1978 according to the . Both are captured by the mysterious Mr. Nash, who wants to clone the Hulk. View the profiles of people named Larry Lieber. He scripted and occasionally also drew the odd Western or Sgt. [16], Under Stan Lee plots, Lieber would go on to script the debut origin stories and other early appearances of the superheroes Thor (co-created with artist Jack Kirby) in Journey into Mystery, Iron Man (co-created with Kirby and Don Heck) in Tales of Suspense, and Ant-Man (co-created with Kirby) in Tales to Astonish. I remember, at the time, I wanted to make everything serious. "[8], Atlas/Seaboard and return to Marvel[edit] In 1974, Lieber left Marvel to take on an editorship at Atlas/Seaboard Comics, the term that comic book historians and collectors use to refer to the "Atlas Comics" line published by Seaboard Periodicals, to differentiate it from the 1950s Marvel Comics predecessor Atlas Comics. After that, after the Hulk, Stan left. And should I go on? LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry? He remembered writers from the past. I like it. LARRY LIEBER: No. Sitelinks. From 1974 to 1975, he was . Q: Did Marvel provide you with any health insurance or health benefits during the time you worked there? As Lieber recalled, "I kind of liked it; it was short. I don't want to do that. [29][30] Lieber said Lee gave a rare compliment on the Hulk strip, telling his brother, "[I]t's very good. Indexer Notes. He is the younger brother of Stan Lee, the creator of numerous Marvel superheroes. Were the scripts that you wrote for Iron Man, Ant-Man and Thor, were those Marvel style? LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, that's where it was ripped and I have tape on them. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. Born Country: United States. I was worrying about somebody else's feeling, and I figured, well, if I make it U-R-U, there's not that much to letter. Q: Can you tell me how you came into possession specifically of these drawings? Q: Now, when you submitted your freelance work to Marvel, whether it's script or artwork, was it was it your understanding that Marvel was obligated to purchase that material from you? I assume I I I must have put it in and given it to Stan's office, perhaps his secretary or somebody, I think I did, and then they paid me and I I don't remember. Lawrence D. Lieber[1] (/libr/; born October 26, 1931)[2] is an American comic book artist and writer best known as co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man from 1986 to September 2018. Q: Did you were you ever interviewed in connection with any lawsuit previously? Q: And that artwork was also purchased by He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. So he did. He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. I put in a voucher. Devoted son of Issie and Marsha Lieber, and son-in-law of Jeannette and Rejean Gagne . I made up stories that I really liked and it lasted a little while. Q: And just to be clear, the when you wrote the script for Ant-Man, that was also with the full breakdown of the panels? Serving during the Korean War, he spent two of those years stationed at Okinawa,[4] after having done his boot-camp training at the since-defunct Sampson Air Force Base, near the Finger Lakes region of New York State. Q: And how did you come to work for Marvel? I might have read it. Q: And you were writing scripts? LARRY LIEBER: I could tell you, yeah, it was it was well, I remember the date. Q: So you came up with the name Anthony Stark? LARRY LIEBER: No. date of birth. [19], Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. Stan had his own way of writing and his own using as few words as possible, making them count, and he he was a good editor. Q: If you understand the question, you can (break in testimony) Q: When he would give you an assignment, did you have a deadline or something that you had to get it back by a certain time? J C Lee. Edward L. K [25][26] With co-scripter Gary Friedrich primarily, Lieber wrote the hero's seven-page lead feature in the weekly Captain Britain #24-37 (March 23 - June 22, 1977), and, with co-writer Jim Lawrence, Captain Britain adventures in Marvel UK's Super Spider-Man #233-246 (July 27-Oct. 26, 1977). Later, in 1958 he was fortunate to have the opportunity to. Enjoyed this? Though he gave up the role of regular artist in Spring 1979 and the role of regular writer in mid-1982, he would still write and draw the occasional installment until the strip's end in September 1982. Stan was writing it and after a while The Hulk wasn't doing well and Stan decided to give it up, or give up his part. I used to Stan liked the way I made up names, civilian names, and I used to, from my years of doing these, what do you call it, these fantasy books, monster books, and I used to look at the back of dictionary, Miriam Webster had biographical names and geographical, so I would look in towns and if I liked the town, I might put it. And I don't remember the specific story, but I was working on something and maybe a zombie book or a horror book or some such thing, and I I was given I had to make up a story. Disney has counter-sued to protect their interests. Q: Did they did Marvel provide you with any paid vacation? I did a few inventory stories [in the comic books] or different things, until finally they needed somebody, an artist, on [the] Spider-Man [comic] strip, which Fred Kida had been doing until he retired. LARRY LIEBER: Oh, okay. [11], In 1951, he enlisted[8] in the U.S. Air Force, beginning four years of military service. 26 October 1931. Q: I think you mentioned that you started working at Marvel in about 1958? He continues to pencil the Spider-Man daily strip as of 2014. Aftre a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. Q: Now, when you were paid by the page for the purchase of your work, did they take out any taxes from your checks? But I don't yeah, yeah, Stan. In our second professional sportsperson-turned-comic creator story of the day, basketball player Johnny O'Bryant has signed a deal with Tokyopop, Just before the movie hits, Marvel Comics will be relaunching the Guardians of the Galaxy comic by Collin Kelly, Jackson Lanzingand Kev Walker. I assumed, seeing a man walk out of the office and tear his artwork up, that or I thought probably they were rejected and he was annoyed or disgusted. He would give it written to me. LARRY LIEBER: No. You want me Yeah, I would bring it to the office. Q: And do you recall that those words or something to that effect being on the back of every check you got from Marvel for that period from 1958 to '65? I reduce the pencils and I fax them. I didn't speak to him. Q: Do you know who, after you turned in the script, do you know who the artist was that drew Thor? At this point in the late 1950s, Kirby was drawing science fiction / fantasy stories followed by giant-monster tales in what collectors and historians call "pre-superhero Marvel" comics, primarily Journey into Mystery, Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish. So he hired somebody and then the next week when I came back to him he said, "Larry, you know something, youre no good, but you're better than these other guys. Q: And how did you come up with his name? But I always wrote a script here. Joan Lieber. (break in testimony) You say the characters? But it didn't last too long and but I don't remember when these things were. Lieber is best known for scripting the first appearances of the Marvel characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man for many years and continuing as of 2014. Maybe they then sent them to you at home. LARRY LIEBER: I remember well, I knew I had to do it fast, and the only thing I remember a little more vividly is with I think it was Jack Kirby where he would say Jack needs work and he was concerned about getting it to him. Lieber then succeeded Kida on the daily strip in 1986. Larry Lieber is an American comic book artist and writer best known as co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man; for his long stint both writing and drawing the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid; and for illustrating the newspaper comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man from 1986 to September 2018. Stan was born in New York City, to Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, a dress cutter. agent Susan seeks the Hulk. I think I wanted a little more freedom. His family had to live in financial difficulties in a one-bedroom apartment. Q: What is the what is the instance you can recall where you had to redo something and weren't paid for that? I used to get names out of the back of the dictionary, from the biographical section where you have foreign names, Russian, this and that. He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. Q: Have you scotch-taped them together? LARRY LIEBER: No. He just didn't like my question. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. MS. SINGER: You have to give a pause so he can object to his own questions too. As Lieber recalled of those creature features, Stan made up the plot, and then he'd give it to me, and I'd write the script. LARRY LIEBER: You know, I don't remember. 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